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* Dr Alain Derom
 
* Dr Alain Derom
 
* Bart Decuypere
 
* Bart Decuypere
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* Filip Migom
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* Frederik De Kegel
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* Frederik Lenaerts
 
* Hans De Keersmaecker  
 
* Hans De Keersmaecker  
 
* Jean-Michel Polfiet  
 
* Jean-Michel Polfiet  
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* Jos Bellen
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* Jos Bellen  
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* José Costa Teixeira (arrived late)
 
 
* Karlien Erauw  
 
* Karlien Erauw  
 
* Kristof Jaubin  
 
* Kristof Jaubin  
 
* Lotte Adriaensen  
 
* Lotte Adriaensen  
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* Nico Vannieuwenhuyze  
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* Nico Vannieuwenhuyze (arrived late)
 
* Olivier Lothaire  
 
* Olivier Lothaire  
 
* Peter Laridon  
 
* Peter Laridon  
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* Stefan Waegemans
 
* Stefan Waegemans
 
* Sven Bisaro
 
* Sven Bisaro
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* Theo Schumacher
 
 
* Thibault Mahieu  
 
* Thibault Mahieu  
 
* Tom Tollenaere
 
* Tom Tollenaere
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* Bart Havermans   
 
* Bart Havermans   
 
* Benny Verhamme  
 
* Benny Verhamme  
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* Filip Migom
 
* Frédéric Istace  
 
* Frédéric Istace  
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* Frederik De Kegel
 
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* Frederik Lenaerts
 
 
* Hendrik De Moor  
 
* Hendrik De Moor  
 
* Joost Van Averbeke  
 
* Joost Van Averbeke  
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* José Costa Teixeira
 
* Mieke Buckinx
 
* Mieke Buckinx
 
* Nick Hermans  
 
* Nick Hermans  
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* Robert Nicolas
 
* Robert Nicolas
 
* Roland Vueghs  
 
* Roland Vueghs  
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* Theo Schumacher
 
* Tom Fiers
 
* Tom Fiers
 
* Toon Schiemsky  
 
* Toon Schiemsky  
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::* do we need a general accr comment for the entire report
 
::* do we need a general accr comment for the entire report
 
::* if we keep the comment on the result level
 
::* if we keep the comment on the result level
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* Answers - was already covered before, [https://economie.fgov.be/sites/default/files/Files/Publications/files/Belac-NL/BELAC-2-001-NL.pdf see all BELAC details here]  
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* Answers - was already covered before, see all details [https://economie.fgov.be/nl/publicaties/reeks-belac-2-0xx-richtlijnen here] and [https://economie.fgov.be/sites/default/files/Files/Publications/files/Belac-NL/BELAC-2-001-NL.pdf here]  
 
::* Belac requires your accr nbr
 
::* Belac requires your accr nbr
 
::* Belac requires info at test level
 
::* Belac requires info at test level
 
::* Belac requires to put more info in the "footer" ; behind every test you can put more details
 
::* Belac requires to put more info in the "footer" ; behind every test you can put more details
 
* experiences abroad: see question in FHIR chat - CLIA in the US, [https://chat.fhir.org/#narrow/stream/179256-Orders-and-Observation-WG/topic/Accreditation.20organisations.20and.20observations.2Freports see here]
 
* experiences abroad: see question in FHIR chat - CLIA in the US, [https://chat.fhir.org/#narrow/stream/179256-Orders-and-Observation-WG/topic/Accreditation.20organisations.20and.20observations.2Freports see here]
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TBC
 
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* Issue 105 - microbiology reporting :
 
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::* put observation under report results, so you can put antibiotic results that are also put as an observation
 
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::* add an intermediate level and to be tested (MIPS at UZ Gent & CHU Charleroi)
 
  
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* Questions that are open since a while - see issue 105
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* Issue 103 - DNA info :
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::* Q1:
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::* add it to note to BeLaboratroyObservation level
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::* Q2: what do other countries do about microbiology
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::* validate tomorrow with UZ Gent on 23/3
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::* Q3: is snomed CT code mandatory for germs code
 
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* Q4: integration of RIS or IRS : would be an integration of an additional system...
 
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::* all narrative answers must be supported, must be accepted - digital report should have the same content as paper reports
 
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::::* there is a codesystem for the antibiotic values
 
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::::::* interpretation is a codeable concept but there is also a value - put in the value
 
  
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* Issue 108 - ACTH system URL
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* Issue 105 - microbiology reporting :
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::* will we use ACTH code or lab code : does not matter
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::* it is in the scope of the pilot
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::::* there will not be a table having all ACTH codes unless the identifier is the same
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::* structured microbiology lab reporting might be very difficult for some lab/LIS vendors
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::* ACTH codes can be used according to the rules described i.e. LOINC, Albert
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::::* for some labs it would require a big change in the microbiology reporting
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::::* it is not an official viewpoint of the vendors
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::::* blob is a an option until the lab is ready for structured microbiology (the labs will need a lot of time for this change)
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::::* receiver will be able to parse it but not be able to save it in a unstructured way ; might not be a big problem
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::* structured microbiology reporting is possible and the pilot has a proposal/way of working
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::* does Belgium will only do this in an unstructured way ? no, structured microbiology reporting should be looked into as this is valuable
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::::* how many Snomed CT codes are needed ? it seems that there are +/- 200
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::* there will have to be in the implementation guide
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::* WG decision: if the string value for the result field contains a new line character the content should be rendered in a non-proportional font. This will be added to the guidance.
  
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* Issue 103: issue is not clear enough - need for clarification from Tom Fiers
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* New issue: plan is to have a new release of the FHIR core resources
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* Issue 102 : can be closed as has been added to the guidance
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::* canonical url's of the core elements will change
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* Issue 99: extensions that might be necessary at report level
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::* does this FHIR group want to use the new/future version that will be released in the upcoming weeks, i.e. evolve to the 2.X.X version of the Belgian Profiles Standards
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::* digital lab report has to  
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::* WG does not want take a decision now
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::* extension will be called "note" and that no type will be enforced/no standardized type
 
  
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* To be checked: note field at diagnostic report level available in latest FHIR impl guide ?
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* Info only: the GP softs part of the pilot will have 2 more months to import the structured FHIR lab reports once the FHIR profile is frozen
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* Philippe Cauchie has shared a table with [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14rtSFlpLfNW5aGs2bfowu39KftsCCFMd/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=105469359652835948544&rtpof=true&sd=true codes for micro organisms Snomed CT] after the meeting re. microbiology
  
 
'''Agenda for next meeting''':
 
'''Agenda for next meeting''':
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* come to a consensus on the open issues - please have a look at the proposed solution for the issues in status "To be validated by WG"
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* wrap-up and resolution of any open issues if they arise
  
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'''Next Meeting - next week as there are some open issues: on Tuesday March 22 or 29 - TBC at 4PM'''
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'''Next Meeting - on Tuesday April 19 at 4PM as the Easter break is coming up - if plenty of new issues arise we'll meet also on April 12'''

Latest revision as of 11:14, 24 March 2022

Attendees

  • Dr Alain Derom
  • Bart Decuypere
  • Frederik De Kegel
  • Frederik Lenaerts
  • Hans De Keersmaecker
  • Jean-Michel Polfiet
  • Jos Bellen
  • Karlien Erauw
  • Kristof Jaubin
  • Lotte Adriaensen
  • Nico Vannieuwenhuyze (arrived late)
  • Olivier Lothaire
  • Peter Laridon
  • Philippe Cauchie
  • Stefan Waegemans
  • Sven Bisaro
  • Thibault Mahieu
  • Tom Tollenaere

Excused/Not present

  • Alexis Van Zeveren
  • Bart Havermans
  • Benny Verhamme
  • Filip Migom
  • Frédéric Istace
  • Hendrik De Moor
  • Joost Van Averbeke
  • José Costa Teixeira
  • Mieke Buckinx
  • Nick Hermans
  • Paul Neyens
  • Richard Francken
  • Robert Nicolas
  • Roland Vueghs
  • Theo Schumacher
  • Tom Fiers
  • Toon Schiemsky
  • Veerle Claessens
  • Werner De Mulder
  • Yulia Shornikova

Agenda

  • Discuss and resolve open issues

Minutes

Resolution of open issues: https://github.com/hl7-be/hl7-be-fhir-laboratory-report/projects/1

  • Issue 98 - accreditation comment
  • what is really required for the Belac accreditation ?
  • do we need a general accr comment for the entire report
  • if we keep the comment on the result level
  • Answers - was already covered before, see all details here and here
  • Belac requires your accr nbr
  • Belac requires info at test level
  • Belac requires to put more info in the "footer" ; behind every test you can put more details
  • experiences abroad: see question in FHIR chat - CLIA in the US, see here
  • Issue 103 - DNA info :
  • add it to note to BeLaboratroyObservation level
  • validate tomorrow with UZ Gent on 23/3
  • Issue 105 - microbiology reporting :
  • it is in the scope of the pilot
  • structured microbiology lab reporting might be very difficult for some lab/LIS vendors
  • for some labs it would require a big change in the microbiology reporting
  • it is not an official viewpoint of the vendors
  • blob is a an option until the lab is ready for structured microbiology (the labs will need a lot of time for this change)
  • receiver will be able to parse it but not be able to save it in a unstructured way ; might not be a big problem
  • structured microbiology reporting is possible and the pilot has a proposal/way of working
  • does Belgium will only do this in an unstructured way ? no, structured microbiology reporting should be looked into as this is valuable
  • how many Snomed CT codes are needed ? it seems that there are +/- 200
  • there will have to be in the implementation guide
  • WG decision: if the string value for the result field contains a new line character the content should be rendered in a non-proportional font. This will be added to the guidance.
  • New issue: plan is to have a new release of the FHIR core resources
  • canonical url's of the core elements will change
  • does this FHIR group want to use the new/future version that will be released in the upcoming weeks, i.e. evolve to the 2.X.X version of the Belgian Profiles Standards
  • WG does not want take a decision now
  • To be checked: note field at diagnostic report level available in latest FHIR impl guide ?
  • Info only: the GP softs part of the pilot will have 2 more months to import the structured FHIR lab reports once the FHIR profile is frozen
  • Philippe Cauchie has shared a table with codes for micro organisms Snomed CT after the meeting re. microbiology

Agenda for next meeting:

  • wrap-up and resolution of any open issues if they arise

Next Meeting - on Tuesday April 19 at 4PM as the Easter break is coming up - if plenty of new issues arise we'll meet also on April 12

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