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===== Attendees =====  
 
===== Attendees =====  
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* Alexis Van Zeveren (arrived late)
 
 
* Dr Alain Derom  
 
* Dr Alain Derom  
 
* Bart Decuypere  
 
* Bart Decuypere  
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* Benny Verhamme
 
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* Frédéric Istace
 
 
* Frederik Lenaerts  
 
* Frederik Lenaerts  
 
* Hans De Keersmaecker  
 
* Hans De Keersmaecker  
 
* Jean-Michel Polfiet  
 
* Jean-Michel Polfiet  
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* Jonathan Capitano
 
* Joost Van Averbeke  
 
* Joost Van Averbeke  
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* Jos Bellen
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* José Schoonbroodt
 
* José Costa Teixeira  
 
* José Costa Teixeira  
 
* Karlien Erauw  
 
* Karlien Erauw  
 
* Kristof Jaubin   
 
* Kristof Jaubin   
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* Nick Hermans
 
 
* Nico Vannieuwenhuyze
 
* Nico Vannieuwenhuyze
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* Olivier Lothaire
 
* Peter Laridon  
 
* Peter Laridon  
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* Robert Nicolas (Medispring)
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* Philippe Cauchie
 
* Thibault Mahieu  
 
* Thibault Mahieu  
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* Tom Fiers
 
* Tom Tollenaere  
 
* Tom Tollenaere  
 
* Stefan Waegemans  
 
* Stefan Waegemans  
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* Toon Schiemsky
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* Werner De Mulder
  
 
===== Excused/Not present =====  
 
===== Excused/Not present =====  
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* Alexic Van Zeveren
 
* Frederik De Kegel
 
* Frederik De Kegel
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* Jos Bellen
 
* Mieke Buckinx
 
* Mieke Buckinx
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* Olivier Lothaire
 
 
* Paul Neyens
 
* Paul Neyens
 
* Richard Francken  
 
* Richard Francken  
 
* Theo Schumacher  
 
* Theo Schumacher  
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* Tom Fiers
 
  
 
===== Agenda =====
 
===== Agenda =====
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===== Minutes =====
 
===== Minutes =====
 
* Up-to-date list of issues can always be consulted [https://github.com/hl7-be/hl7-be-fhir-laboratory-report/issues here]
 
* Up-to-date list of issues can always be consulted [https://github.com/hl7-be/hl7-be-fhir-laboratory-report/issues here]
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* Issue 19 on unique identifier
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* Issue 19: unique identifier
 
::* naming system would be created for unique identifier for the bundle - one for Belgium
 
::* naming system would be created for unique identifier for the bundle - one for Belgium
 
::* how do labs need to manage amendments of protocols?
 
::* how do labs need to manage amendments of protocols?
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::::* it is not needed to duplicate the references, only put it in DiagnosticReport, if mentioned as suborders at  Observation level
 
::::* it is not needed to duplicate the references, only put it in DiagnosticReport, if mentioned as suborders at  Observation level
 
* Issue 28: notion of "sequence number" on specimen
 
* Issue 28: notion of "sequence number" on specimen
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::* important is to be able to note unique ID of specimen, order of sampling is not useful/not relevant
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::* no action to be taken
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* Issue 20: May url references to identifier systems be empty or dummy ?
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::* there must also be a url that identifies the system and has to be unique within the namespace it belongs to (per lab) but it can be dummy
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::* it cannot be empty
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::* see: "If the system is a URL, it SHOULD resolve. Resolution might be to a web page that describes the identifier system and/or supports look-up of identifiers. Alternatively, it could be to a NamingSystem resource instance. Resolvable URLs are generally preferred by implementers over non-resolvable URNs, particularly opaque URNs such as OIDs (urn:oid:) or UUIDs (urn:uuid:). If used, OIDs and UUIDs may be registered in the HL7 OID registry  and SHOULD be registered if the content is shared or exchanged across institutional boundaries."
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::::* should : recommended, see https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc2119
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::* issue was resolved last week, nothing to be done
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* Issue 42
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::* no action to be taken
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::* the precision that is mentioned in the FHIR message is the precision that is used by the lab
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* Issue 29: notion of "specimen collected after x... min"
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::* LOINC has different codes, these should be used by the labs, if not, then the interval has to specified separately
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* no action to be taken
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* Issue 34
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::* was discussed previously
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::* if RETAM code exist, it must be used, see https://build.fhir.org/ig/hl7-be/hl7-be-fhir-laboratory-report/guidance.html, 3.10.1 Use of Retam codes
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::::* what with LOINC codes that are not in the RETAM table ? we should make a distinction b/w LOINC codes in RETAM table and the ones that are not - to create new issue on this so that we adapt the guidance
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::::* issue 34 can be closed
  
  
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'''Next Meeting:''' on Tuesday Dec 7 4PM to make progress
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'''Next Meeting:''' on Tuesday Dec 14 at 1PM or on Dec 7 to make progress - TBC ?
 

Latest revision as of 14:56, 17 January 2022

Attendees
  • Dr Alain Derom
  • Bart Decuypere
  • Frederik Lenaerts
  • Hans De Keersmaecker
  • Jean-Michel Polfiet
  • Jonathan Capitano
  • Joost Van Averbeke
  • José Schoonbroodt
  • José Costa Teixeira
  • Karlien Erauw
  • Kristof Jaubin
  • Nico Vannieuwenhuyze
  • Olivier Lothaire
  • Peter Laridon
  • Philippe Cauchie
  • Thibault Mahieu
  • Tom Fiers
  • Tom Tollenaere
  • Stefan Waegemans
  • Werner De Mulder
Excused/Not present
  • Alexic Van Zeveren
  • Frederik De Kegel
  • Jos Bellen
  • Mieke Buckinx
  • Paul Neyens
  • Richard Francken
  • Theo Schumacher
Agenda
  • Rework on issues resulted from the pilot phase
Minutes
  • Up-to-date list of issues can always be consulted here
  • Issue 19: unique identifier
  • naming system would be created for unique identifier for the bundle - one for Belgium
  • how do labs need to manage amendments of protocols?
  • form of unique identifier
  • uniqueness of identifier has to be at lab level
  • one lab will do it in this way: protocol order number + version number of the protocol, can be prefixed by the RIZIV number of the lab
  • Issue 40: ServiceRequest references
  • an order creates a ServiceRequest - should ServiceRequests also be stored in the DiagnosticReport.basedOn ?
  • it is not needed to duplicate the references, only put it in DiagnosticReport, if mentioned as suborders at Observation level
  • Issue 28: notion of "sequence number" on specimen
  • important is to be able to note unique ID of specimen, order of sampling is not useful/not relevant
  • no action to be taken
  • Issue 20: May url references to identifier systems be empty or dummy ?
  • there must also be a url that identifies the system and has to be unique within the namespace it belongs to (per lab) but it can be dummy
  • it cannot be empty
  • see: "If the system is a URL, it SHOULD resolve. Resolution might be to a web page that describes the identifier system and/or supports look-up of identifiers. Alternatively, it could be to a NamingSystem resource instance. Resolvable URLs are generally preferred by implementers over non-resolvable URNs, particularly opaque URNs such as OIDs (urn:oid:) or UUIDs (urn:uuid:). If used, OIDs and UUIDs may be registered in the HL7 OID registry and SHOULD be registered if the content is shared or exchanged across institutional boundaries."
  • issue was resolved last week, nothing to be done
  • Issue 42
  • no action to be taken
  • the precision that is mentioned in the FHIR message is the precision that is used by the lab
  • Issue 29: notion of "specimen collected after x... min"
  • LOINC has different codes, these should be used by the labs, if not, then the interval has to specified separately
  • no action to be taken
  • Issue 34
  • what with LOINC codes that are not in the RETAM table ? we should make a distinction b/w LOINC codes in RETAM table and the ones that are not - to create new issue on this so that we adapt the guidance
  • issue 34 can be closed


Next Meeting: on Tuesday Dec 7 4PM to make progress

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