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* Arnaud Lippert
 
* Arnaud Lippert
 
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* Erwin Bellon  
 
* Jean-Michel Polfliet
 
* Jean-Michel Polfliet
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* José Costa Teixeira o
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* José Costa Teixeira  
 
* Karlien Erauw
 
* Karlien Erauw
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* Katleen Smedts o
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* Nick Hermans  
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* Pieter Devolder  
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* Pieter Devolder o
 
 
* Robin Bosman
 
* Robin Bosman
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* Robin Decoster o
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* Robin Decoster  
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* Sander Van den Wyngaert  
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* Sander Van den Wyngaert
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* Wouter Huysse
  
 
===== Excused =====  
 
===== Excused =====  
 
* Elfi Goessaert  
 
* Elfi Goessaert  
 
* Karen Anthonissen
 
* Karen Anthonissen
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* Katleen Smedts
 
* Tom Deprez  
 
* Tom Deprez  
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* Wouter Huysse
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===== Agenda =====  
 
===== Agenda =====  
 
* Review of the updated datamodel and technical FHIR artefact
 
* Review of the updated datamodel and technical FHIR artefact
 
* Review of example on modalities
 
* Review of example on modalities
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* Further take-up
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* Further take-up in other organisations
  
 
===== Minutes =====
 
===== Minutes =====
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* Andries is involved in working group op cross border exchange of medical data
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* Andries is involved in the European working group op cross border exchange of medical imaging & dismissal form, project leader for FOD Volksgezondheid. This project is an extension of the CEF project that includes the summary & eprescription and is now also looking f.e. in the lab results. Andries is involved in the functional part.
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* GP's are present in this WG, medical imaging experts also, radiologists are not present
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* Robin presents the
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::* should we ask for 45/60minute slot to present to 3 associations: BVR, Belg vereniging voor Nuclaire geneeskunde, BELMIP ?Karlien to take action here
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::* modifierExtension: obligatory to pass on, v3-NullFlavor can be given, example of null flavor: asked but unknown (ASKU)
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::::* Null Flavors is HL7 concept, see values: https://terminology.hl7.org/2.1.0/CodeSystem-v3-NullFlavor.html
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::* modifierExtension BeContrastFluidUse, see http://build.fhir.org/ig/hl7-be/hl7-be-fhir-referral-prescription/ValueSet-be-contrastfluid-use.html having 2 values
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::* reasonCode element
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::* see examples: http://build.fhir.org/ig/hl7-be/hl7-be-fhir-referral-prescription/ServiceRequest-diagnostic-imaging-basic-example-concreteWithDetails.xml.html
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* the Belgian FHIR profile for vaccination has been used to influence the FHIR profile at European level 
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* Erwin has composed a list with questions that mainly need to be answered by the politics
 
* Erwin has composed a list with questions that mainly need to be answered by the politics
 
* Review of the updated datamodel after the discussion in the previous WG ; unfortunately there was a technical issue with the publication  
 
* Review of the updated datamodel after the discussion in the previous WG ; unfortunately there was a technical issue with the publication  
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::* modifier extension for contra indication as it is important ; with its own structure and preferrably expressed as a structure
 
::* modifier extension for contra indication as it is important ; with its own structure and preferrably expressed as a structure
 
::* supporting info: goal is that only relevant information is sent in the referral
 
::* supporting info: goal is that only relevant information is sent in the referral
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* Should/shall we enforce for Acquisition Modality: http://dicom.nema.org/medical/dicom/current/output/chtml/part16/sect_CID_29.html
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* Clarification by RIZIV: the referrals will be active and identical intramuros and extramuros
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::* however if intramuros there are additional requests, it would be fine as long as it fits in the general model
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::* for complex cases it might be difficult to capture all the details in the referral (f.e. 3D modelling for surgery)
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::* intramuros there are detailed modules for medical imaging
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::* a good balance will have to be sought here to avoid that we keep discusssing for years
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* Robin will finalise the technical structure to finish the medical imaging referral
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::* can we move to a federal standard ? We will have to go through a formal request, then through the WGSE (WG Structural Elements) and the eHealth Program Board
  
  
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''' Date Next Meeting : April 2 at 4PM'''
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''' Date Next Meeting : April 1 at 4PM which will be the final meeting re. Medical Imaging referral'''
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'''Action point:'''
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* Karlien should ask for 45/60minute slot to present to 3 associations: BVR, Belg vereniging voor Nuclaire geneeskunde, BELMIP ?Karlien to take action here

Latest revision as of 17:44, 18 March 2021

Attendees
  • Andries Nelissen
  • Arnaud Lippert
  • Bruno Casneuf
  • Erwin Bellon
  • Jean-Michel Polfliet
  • José Costa Teixeira
  • Karlien Erauw
  • Nick Hermans
  • Pieter Devolder
  • Robin Bosman
  • Robin Decoster
  • Sander Van den Wyngaert
  • Wouter Huysse
Excused
  • Elfi Goessaert
  • Karen Anthonissen
  • Katleen Smedts
  • Tom Deprez


Agenda
  • Review of the updated datamodel and technical FHIR artefact
  • Review of example on modalities
  • Further take-up in other organisations
Minutes
  • Andries is involved in the European working group op cross border exchange of medical imaging & dismissal form, project leader for FOD Volksgezondheid. This project is an extension of the CEF project that includes the summary & eprescription and is now also looking f.e. in the lab results. Andries is involved in the functional part.
  • Robin presents the
  • modifierExtension: obligatory to pass on, v3-NullFlavor can be given, example of null flavor: asked but unknown (ASKU)
  • the Belgian FHIR profile for vaccination has been used to influence the FHIR profile at European level
  • Erwin has composed a list with questions that mainly need to be answered by the politics
  • Review of the updated datamodel after the discussion in the previous WG ; unfortunately there was a technical issue with the publication
  • logical model has been cleaned, heritage from BeReferralPrescription
  • diagnostic questioning
  • extension for codeable concept
  • modifier extension for contra indication as it is important ; with its own structure and preferrably expressed as a structure
  • supporting info: goal is that only relevant information is sent in the referral
  • Clarification by RIZIV: the referrals will be active and identical intramuros and extramuros
  • however if intramuros there are additional requests, it would be fine as long as it fits in the general model
  • for complex cases it might be difficult to capture all the details in the referral (f.e. 3D modelling for surgery)
  • intramuros there are detailed modules for medical imaging
  • a good balance will have to be sought here to avoid that we keep discusssing for years
  • Robin will finalise the technical structure to finish the medical imaging referral
  • can we move to a federal standard ? We will have to go through a formal request, then through the WGSE (WG Structural Elements) and the eHealth Program Board


Date Next Meeting : April 1 at 4PM which will be the final meeting re. Medical Imaging referral Action point:

  • Karlien should ask for 45/60minute slot to present to 3 associations: BVR, Belg vereniging voor Nuclaire geneeskunde, BELMIP ?Karlien to take action here
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