Difference between revisions of "Minutes - Medication WG 2021-10-26"

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* Annemieke Vergauwe
 
* Bart Decuypere
 
* Bart Decuypere
 
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* Jean-Michel Polfliet
 
* Jean-Michel Polfliet
 
* Jens Penny
 
* Jens Penny
* José Costa Teixeira
 
 
* Karlien Erauw  
 
* Karlien Erauw  
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* Marc Buckens
 
* Pablo Christiaens
 
* Pablo Christiaens
 
* Richard Francken
 
* Richard Francken
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===== '''Excused/Not present''' =====
 
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* Annemieke Vergauwe
 
 
* Anne Nerenhausen
 
* Anne Nerenhausen
 
* Dieter Sauvillers
 
* Dieter Sauvillers
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* Jean-Louis Maggetto  
 
* Jean-Louis Maggetto  
 
* Jeroen De Wilde
 
* Jeroen De Wilde
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* José Costa Teixeira
 
* Katrien Thorré
 
* Katrien Thorré
 
* Lars Vanreppelen
 
* Lars Vanreppelen
* Marc Buckens
 
 
* Nick Hermans
 
* Nick Hermans
 
* Nils Devos
 
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===== '''Agenda''' =====
 
===== '''Agenda''' =====
* Status of Medication Dispense publication
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* Work on scenario's
 
* Future work items
 
* Future work items
  
 
===== '''Minutes''' =====
 
===== '''Minutes''' =====
* Status of Medication Dispense publication
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* Pablo sent [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J0p2gxTo8dP7q_SW0egYBniMa9VSUr0Y/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=105469359652835948544&rtpof=true&sd=true 3 scenario's], we discuss them
::* will be published by eHealth platform very soon
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* All 3 scenario's are about a twisted ankle
 
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::* do we need to put the indication ? one medication can be taken for multiple indiciations
* Strategic discussion on the future and future action items for this working group
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::* we need a placeholder for the indication, free text - it is mandatory
::* IDMP will be coming soon: there is discussion on the medication catalogs
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::* what is the use case ? based on therapautic line
::::* José is sharing a [https://drive.google.com/file/d/12_0EBGBMGcqE6XB40FAtzeUFlzvcrUao/view?usp=sharing slide on drug visualisation]
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* Scenario 2: patient has already multiple therapeutic lines
::::* the SAM database will have to be accessible by all and interoperable at all levels ; interoperability of catalogs is challenging
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::* chronic backpain
::::* clinical flows have to be designed taking into account
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::* twisted ankle: pain relief medication
 
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::* 1 medication on 2 therapeutic lines
* Vaccination scheme: is being worked on at international level
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::* you don't know what applies to what
::* covid vaccine & upcoming malaria vaccine
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::::* it is the business question: does one need to add the doses ?
::* RIZIV is looking into it for Belgium
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* Scenario 3: person with a lot of medical history
 
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::* plenty of therapeutic lines
* Pablo sent [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J0p2gxTo8dP7q_SW0egYBniMa9VSUr0Y/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=105469359652835948544&rtpof=true&sd=true 3 scenario's], please have a look at them for next meeting
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::* do we need to capture the history in the medication scheme ?
 
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::* 3 therapeutic lines that are linked - these are foreseen in the sumehr (as medication history as free text) - do you need to connect the medication ?
 
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::* what will the medication sheme be used for ?
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::::* there should be a patient friendly print-out for the patient, which will be a different view of the medication scheme
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::::* history can be of value for GP and pharmacist
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::::* how will the GP use this ?
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::::::* re-use therapeutic line
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::::::* start new therapeutic line
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::::* it is not because computer systems keep history eternally that the eternal history has to be displayed - only history that has relevance should be displayed, has to be determined by the application that shows the medication (timeframe, specific datasets, ...)
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::::::* not having the medication history (when manually deleted) today is painful
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* Due to José's absence the questions/open issues have been listed and they will be further discussed during our next meeting
  
 
'''Action items for next meeting'''
 
'''Action items for next meeting'''
* Review of the [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J0p2gxTo8dP7q_SW0egYBniMa9VSUr0Y/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=105469359652835948544&rtpof=true&sd=true scenario's]
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Discuss open questions
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* is indication mandatory ?
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* what with multiple indications in multiple therapeutic lines ?
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* how to capture the history in the medication scheme ?
  
'''Next meeting Oct 26 at 11AM'''
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'''Next meeting Nov 9 at 11AM'''

Latest revision as of 09:34, 26 October 2021

Attendees
  • Annemieke Vergauwe
  • Bart Decuypere
  • Bruno Casneuf
  • Jan Lenie
  • Jean-Michel Polfliet
  • Jens Penny
  • Karlien Erauw
  • Marc Buckens
  • Pablo Christiaens
  • Richard Francken
  • Tom Henkens
Excused/Not present
  • Anne Nerenhausen
  • Dieter Sauvillers
  • Elhassan Baazizi
  • Hanne Vuegen
  • Jean-Louis Maggetto
  • Jeroen De Wilde
  • José Costa Teixeira
  • Katrien Thorré
  • Lars Vanreppelen
  • Nick Hermans
  • Nils Devos
  • Thomas Van Langendonck
  • Tom De Backer
  • Will van Norel
Agenda
  • Work on scenario's
  • Future work items
Minutes
  • Pablo sent 3 scenario's, we discuss them
  • All 3 scenario's are about a twisted ankle
  • do we need to put the indication ? one medication can be taken for multiple indiciations
  • we need a placeholder for the indication, free text - it is mandatory
  • what is the use case ? based on therapautic line
  • Scenario 2: patient has already multiple therapeutic lines
  • chronic backpain
  • twisted ankle: pain relief medication
  • 1 medication on 2 therapeutic lines
  • you don't know what applies to what
  • it is the business question: does one need to add the doses ?
  • Scenario 3: person with a lot of medical history
  • plenty of therapeutic lines
  • do we need to capture the history in the medication scheme ?
  • 3 therapeutic lines that are linked - these are foreseen in the sumehr (as medication history as free text) - do you need to connect the medication ?
  • what will the medication sheme be used for ?
  • there should be a patient friendly print-out for the patient, which will be a different view of the medication scheme
  • history can be of value for GP and pharmacist
  • how will the GP use this ?
  • re-use therapeutic line
  • start new therapeutic line
  • it is not because computer systems keep history eternally that the eternal history has to be displayed - only history that has relevance should be displayed, has to be determined by the application that shows the medication (timeframe, specific datasets, ...)
  • not having the medication history (when manually deleted) today is painful
  • Due to José's absence the questions/open issues have been listed and they will be further discussed during our next meeting

Action items for next meeting Discuss open questions

  • is indication mandatory ?
  • what with multiple indications in multiple therapeutic lines ?
  • how to capture the history in the medication scheme ?

Next meeting Nov 9 at 11AM