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=== Attendees ===
 
=== Attendees ===
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* Alexis Van Zeveren
 
 
* Anne Nerenhausen
 
* Anne Nerenhausen
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* Bart Decuypere (until 9.30AM)
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* Bart Decuypere  
 
* Félix De Tavernier
 
* Félix De Tavernier
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* Filoretta Velica
 
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* Hans De Keersmaeker
 
 
* Isabelle Pollet
 
* Isabelle Pollet
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* Jean-Michel Polfliet (until 9.30AM)
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* Jean-Michel Polfliet
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* Jens Penny
 
* José Costa Teixeira  
 
* José Costa Teixeira  
 
* Karlien Erauw
 
* Karlien Erauw
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* Nick Hermans
 
 
* Pablo Christiaens
 
* Pablo Christiaens
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* Philippe Baise
 
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* Sam Jocqué
 
 
* Veerle Michiels
 
* Veerle Michiels
  
 
=== Excused ===
 
=== Excused ===
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* Alexis Van Zeveren
 
* Brecht Van Vooren
 
* Brecht Van Vooren
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* Filoretta Velica
 
* Hanne Vuegen
 
* Hanne Vuegen
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* Jens Penny
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* Hans De Keersmaeker
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* Nick Hermans
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* Philippe Baise
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* Sam Jocqué
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* Tom De Backer
 
* Walter Bollaert  
 
* Walter Bollaert  
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* Tom De Backer
 
  
 
=== Agenda ===
 
=== Agenda ===
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* The business rules document has been distributed to the WG members:
 
* The business rules document has been distributed to the WG members:
 
::* [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xyn7GSkskearszCryPVKZjkB7Xw8sH4g/edit?usp=drive_link&ouid=105469359652835948544&rtpof=true&sd=true see document here]
 
::* [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xyn7GSkskearszCryPVKZjkB7Xw8sH4g/edit?usp=drive_link&ouid=105469359652835948544&rtpof=true&sd=true see document here]
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::* remarks
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::* remarks on the document were sent
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::::* Mbt leeftijd van het kind (juridische discussie rond privacy van geneesmiddelenvoorschriften en dus “kind”leeftijd)
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::::::* Ook hier is dat mogelijks enkel voor geneesmiddelenvoorschriften? Ik ken de discussie en het standpunt niet in de bredere scope van gezondheidszorg in het algemeen. Maar wil hier wel even de aandacht op vestigen.
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::::* Mbt mandaten en link met zorgvolmachten (eenmaal we in FHIR werken)
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::::::* Dit is mogelijks een link om later te implementeren…
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::::* these will be looked into
  
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::* remark: will FHIR R4 or R5 will be used ?
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::* other remark: will FHIR R4 or R5 will be used ?
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::::* significant decision to be made
 
::::* a new WG will be set-up after the holidays on R4/R5 for all the projects by eHealth platform/HL7 Belgium
 
::::* a new WG will be set-up after the holidays on R4/R5 for all the projects by eHealth platform/HL7 Belgium
 
::::* [https://github.com/ehealthplatformstandards/KmehrFhirTransitionVersioning discussion exists on github with 4 projects] for which the [https://github.com/ehealthplatformstandards/BelgianProfileVersioningStrategy versioning is a subproject]
 
::::* [https://github.com/ehealthplatformstandards/KmehrFhirTransitionVersioning discussion exists on github with 4 projects] for which the [https://github.com/ehealthplatformstandards/BelgianProfileVersioningStrategy versioning is a subproject]
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::::::* please note that R4b is not an official version, it doesn't work and is not supported
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::* question: WillCategory is not mandatory, it might become Must Support
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::::* based on the category specific business rules will be defined
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::::* it might be necessary to become mandatory as otherwise it will not be sent
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::* valuesets: will they be custom ones or Snomed CT ones ?
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::::* a process is started to have them in Snomed CT, it will be decided by the NRC terminology centre ; currently the ones mentioned are the kmehr ones. Not sure whether the kmehr ones will be intermediate ones before the Snomed ones are available. Still to be determined whether the Snomed ones will be available on time
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::::* NRC will maintain the codes
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::::* the mapping will have to be mapped (version, publication): who will manage this ? it will be part of the
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::::::* this can be added to the strategic [https://github.com/ehealthplatformstandards/KmehrToFHIR subproject KmehrToFHIR]
  
  
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::::* we have to ensure that we all have the same document!
 
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::* [https://github.com/hl7-be/consent draft IG will be here]
 
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::* patient relationships will be the ones already defined for the core package: [https://build.fhir.org/ig/hl7-be/core/ValueSet-be-vs-patient-relationship-type.html see here]
 
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* The point is raised that a clear mapping with kmehr is necessary
 
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* We have to decide if FHIR R4 or R5 will be used
 
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* Resource consent is used : here we talk about a clinical consent but there is also a concept of consent to share data (for which there is one at national level and at regional level). Will the same FHIR resource be used: yes. We have to avoid confusion for everyone so there is a clear need to clarify.
 
 
::* we might have to rename the IG branch as consent here is already confusing
 
::* we might have to rename the IG branch as consent here is already confusing
 
* The WG members would like to have the already existing Royal Decree and other relevant documents (brochure)
 
* The WG members would like to have the already existing Royal Decree and other relevant documents (brochure)
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::* prepare a proposal for different naming for the FHIR branch (by eHealth platform)
 
::* prepare a proposal for different naming for the FHIR branch (by eHealth platform)
  
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'''Next Patient Dossier WG meeting: at 9AM'''
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'''Next Patient Dossier WG meeting: 24 Aug at 9AM'''

Revision as of 07:27, 13 July 2023

Attendees

  • Anne Nerenhausen
  • Bart Decuypere
  • Félix De Tavernier
  • Isabelle Pollet
  • Jean-Michel Polfliet
  • Jens Penny
  • José Costa Teixeira
  • Karlien Erauw
  • Pablo Christiaens
  • Veerle Michiels

Excused

  • Alexis Van Zeveren
  • Brecht Van Vooren
  • Filoretta Velica
  • Hanne Vuegen
  • Hans De Keersmaeker
  • Nick Hermans
  • Philippe Baise
  • Sam Jocqué
  • Tom De Backer
  • Walter Bollaert

Agenda

  • Work on Belgian IG for patient will

Minutes

  • The business rules document has been distributed to the WG members:
  • Mbt leeftijd van het kind (juridische discussie rond privacy van geneesmiddelenvoorschriften en dus “kind”leeftijd)
  • Ook hier is dat mogelijks enkel voor geneesmiddelenvoorschriften? Ik ken de discussie en het standpunt niet in de bredere scope van gezondheidszorg in het algemeen. Maar wil hier wel even de aandacht op vestigen.
  • Mbt mandaten en link met zorgvolmachten (eenmaal we in FHIR werken)
  • Dit is mogelijks een link om later te implementeren…
  • these will be looked into
  • other remark: will FHIR R4 or R5 will be used ?
  • please note that R4b is not an official version, it doesn't work and is not supported
  • question: WillCategory is not mandatory, it might become Must Support
  • based on the category specific business rules will be defined
  • it might be necessary to become mandatory as otherwise it will not be sent
  • valuesets: will they be custom ones or Snomed CT ones ?
  • a process is started to have them in Snomed CT, it will be decided by the NRC terminology centre ; currently the ones mentioned are the kmehr ones. Not sure whether the kmehr ones will be intermediate ones before the Snomed ones are available. Still to be determined whether the Snomed ones will be available on time
  • NRC will maintain the codes
  • the mapping will have to be mapped (version, publication): who will manage this ? it will be part of the


  • we might have to rename the IG branch as consent here is already confusing
  • The WG members would like to have the already existing Royal Decree and other relevant documents (brochure)
  • The business document is already quite stable so it is requested to move to a 1.0 version
  • It would be useful to have all the documents on a portal where comments and questions can be logged
  • Next actions:
  • make business rules document & other documents available to the WG (Anne + Karlien)
  • come prepared with first remarks on business rules document by 13 July (by all)
  • prepare a proposal for different naming for the FHIR branch (by eHealth platform)

Next Patient Dossier WG meeting: 24 Aug at 9AM

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