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* Anne Nerenhausen
 
* Anne Nerenhausen
 
* Alexis Van Zeveren
 
* Alexis Van Zeveren
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* Bart Decuypere
 
* Félix De Tavernier
 
* Félix De Tavernier
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* Hanne Vuegen
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* Filoretta Velica
 
* Hans De Keersmaeker
 
* Hans De Keersmaeker
 
* Jean-Michel Polfliet
 
* Jean-Michel Polfliet
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* Pablo Christiaens
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* Karlien Erauw
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* Veerle Michiels
 
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* Wouter De Jonghe
 
  
 
=== Excused ===
 
=== Excused ===
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* Bart Decuypere
 
 
* Brecht Van Vooren
 
* Brecht Van Vooren
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* Filoretta Velica
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* Hanne Vuegen
 
* Isabelle Pollet
 
* Isabelle Pollet
 
* Jens Penny
 
* Jens Penny
 
* José Costa Teixeira  
 
* José Costa Teixeira  
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* Karlien Erauw
 
 
* Nick Hermans
 
* Nick Hermans
 
* Philippe Baise
 
* Philippe Baise
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* Pablo Christiaens
 
* Sam Jocqué
 
* Sam Jocqué
 
* Tom De Backer
 
* Tom De Backer
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* Veerle Michiels
 
* Walter Bollaert  
 
* Walter Bollaert  
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* Wouter De Jonghe
  
 
=== Agenda ===
 
=== Agenda ===
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* Resolve issue/questions
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* Review implemnentation guide and resolve issues/questions
  
 
=== Minutes ===
 
=== Minutes ===
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* The business rules document can be found [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QGEKMd4OkXJRIr-EC2qeaqg84Bw5G7gj/edit?usp=drive_link&ouid=105469359652835948544&rtpof=true&sd=true here in NL] and [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Avg27yw7gJB0KqfOhqh5vLsj2187Y8e-/edit?usp=drive_link&ouid=105469359652835948544&rtpof=true&sd=true here in French]:
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* The business rules document version 1.1 can be found [https://github.com/hl7-be/patientwill/issues/12 here in NL and FR]
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::* see also in [https://github.com/hl7-be/patientwill/issues/12 issue 12]
 
  
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* The work on the implementation guide has been updated
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* The work on the implementation guide has been updated and is presented by Bart
 
::* [https://build.fhir.org/ig/hl7-be/patientwill/branches/issue-1/ issue 1 refers to the work on the logical model]
 
::* [https://build.fhir.org/ig/hl7-be/patientwill/branches/issue-1/ issue 1 refers to the work on the logical model]
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::* master branch
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::* logical model is [https://build.fhir.org/ig/hl7-be/patientwill/branches/issue-1/StructureDefinition-BeModelPatientWill.html available here]
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::* if no comments come in, these will be merged
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::* if no comments come in, master branch and issue 1 will be merged
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* We will go over the [https://github.com/hl7-be/patientwill/issues issues, see here]
 
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::* [https://github.com/hl7-be/patientwill/issues/13 issue 13 representative linked to willcode]:
 
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::* it might be useful to be able to put one representative for all will codes, other info might be useful
 
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* issue 11: consent.scope relation vs consent.provisioncode
 
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::::* the will code will be made mandatory in the logical model as this corresponds with the most important information, it corresponds with consent provision code in FHIR
 
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::::* [https://hl7.org/FHIR/R4/valueset-consent-scope.html the category is FHIR int'l model] is mandatory and is very similar to scope
 
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::::* more investigation is necessary by eHealth platform
 
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::* [https://github.com/hl7-be/patientwill/issues/10 issue 10]: performer vs organisation
 
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::::* the representative (mandaathouder) is in the logical model but not in the IG yet --> it is the custodian
 
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::::* where do we get the INSZ number for a notary/judge ?
 
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::::* do we need another type of representative ? trusted person?
 
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::::* can the custodian be the same person as the performer ? normally not
 
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::::* concepts and business rules need to be clarified by INAMI
 
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* we create a [https://github.com/hl7-be/patientwill/issues/10 new issue 14] : the group thinks that the notary document might have to be availabe at the HCP side, could we link ? to be investigated and specified in
 
  
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* Will the valuesets use SnomedCT ? This needs to be investigated by RIZIV/Anne
  
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* We will go over the [https://github.com/hl7-be/patientwill/issues issues, see here]
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* We go over the [https://github.com/hl7-be/patientwill/issues issues, see here]
 
::* [https://github.com/hl7-be/patientwill/issues/14 issue 14]: should we make a link for wills registered elsewhere
 
::* [https://github.com/hl7-be/patientwill/issues/14 issue 14]: should we make a link for wills registered elsewhere
 
::::* a link can be cumbersome if the link does not work in an emergency case but has advantages ; a link will not be allowed, a scan looks better as all (must be specified, f.e. a pdf)
 
::::* a link can be cumbersome if the link does not work in an emergency case but has advantages ; a link will not be allowed, a scan looks better as all (must be specified, f.e. a pdf)
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::::* organ donation: a scan should be indeed better, as this is not an official document, only an agreement ; Anne will check if we will make this mandatory
 
::::* organ donation: a scan should be indeed better, as this is not an official document, only an agreement ; Anne will check if we will make this mandatory
 
::::* the business rules will describe the situations where the documentscan is preferred
 
::::* the business rules will describe the situations where the documentscan is preferred
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::::* it wold be good to use the format that is used in the lab reports
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::::* do we need to limit the size ? for lab reports there is no limit to the size
  
 
::* [https://github.com/hl7-be/patientwill/issues/8 issue 8]: kmehr/FHIR mapping
 
::* [https://github.com/hl7-be/patientwill/issues/8 issue 8]: kmehr/FHIR mapping

Revision as of 07:40, 5 October 2023

Attendees

  • Anne Nerenhausen
  • Alexis Van Zeveren
  • Bart Decuypere
  • Félix De Tavernier
  • Filoretta Velica
  • Hans De Keersmaeker
  • Jean-Michel Polfliet
  • Karlien Erauw

Excused

  • Brecht Van Vooren
  • Hanne Vuegen
  • Isabelle Pollet
  • Jens Penny
  • José Costa Teixeira
  • Nick Hermans
  • Philippe Baise
  • Pablo Christiaens
  • Sam Jocqué
  • Tom De Backer
  • Veerle Michiels
  • Walter Bollaert
  • Wouter De Jonghe

Agenda

  • Review implemnentation guide and resolve issues/questions

Minutes

  • The work on the implementation guide has been updated and is presented by Bart
  • Will the valuesets use SnomedCT ? This needs to be investigated by RIZIV/Anne
  • issue 14: should we make a link for wills registered elsewhere
  • a link can be cumbersome if the link does not work in an emergency case but has advantages ; a link will not be allowed, a scan looks better as all (must be specified, f.e. a pdf)
  • the official document is not mandatory, for euthanasia the offical document is at the city level
  • organ donation: a scan should be indeed better, as this is not an official document, only an agreement ; Anne will check if we will make this mandatory
  • the business rules will describe the situations where the documentscan is preferred
  • it wold be good to use the format that is used in the lab reports
  • do we need to limit the size ? for lab reports there is no limit to the size
  • for all existing documents in kmehr and the valuesets used there, a mapping to the FHIR valuesets is needed
  • how are we going to tackle this ?
  • see 6.2.1 and 6.2.2 in the business rules WillCategory and WillCode
  • we will only add values to the existing kmehr values
  • it seems that some kmehr values have been removed and some have not been mapped
  • FHIR mapping: Category (logical) should not be mapped on Scope (FHIR) and Willcode (logical) should not be mapped on Category (fhir)
  • Alexis prefers to have this in a FHIR concept map
  • we need user friendly tools to support this


  • Next actions:
  • continue resolution of issues & review of IB

Next Patient Dossier/Patient Will WG meeting: 19 Oct Sep at 9AM

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