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===== Attendees ===== | ===== Attendees ===== | ||
| − | * Dr Alain Derom | + | * Alexis Van Zeveren (arrived late) |
| − | * Bart Decuypere | + | * Dr Alain Derom |
| − | * Benny Verhamme | + | * Bart Decuypere |
| + | * Benny Verhamme | ||
| + | * Frédéric Istace | ||
* Frederik Lenaerts | * Frederik Lenaerts | ||
* Hans De Keersmaecker | * Hans De Keersmaecker | ||
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* Kristof Jaubin | * Kristof Jaubin | ||
* Nick Hermans | * Nick Hermans | ||
| − | * | + | * Nico Vannieuwenhuyze |
| − | * | + | * Peter Laridon |
| − | * | + | * Robert Nicolas (Medispring) |
| − | * Tom | + | * Thibault Mahieu |
| + | * Tom Tollenaere | ||
* Stefan Waegemans | * Stefan Waegemans | ||
| − | * Toon Schiemsky | + | * Toon Schiemsky |
===== Excused/Not present ===== | ===== Excused/Not present ===== | ||
* Frederik De Kegel | * Frederik De Kegel | ||
* Mieke Buckinx | * Mieke Buckinx | ||
| + | * Olivier Lothaire | ||
* Paul Neyens | * Paul Neyens | ||
| − | * | + | * Richard Francken |
| − | * Tom | + | * Theo Schumacher |
| + | * Tom Fiers | ||
===== Agenda ===== | ===== Agenda ===== | ||
| − | * | + | * Rework on issues resulted from the pilot phase |
===== Minutes ===== | ===== Minutes ===== | ||
| − | * Updates of the pilot phase of the Lab result project | + | * Updates of the pilot phase of the Lab result project, [https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1_kdAsluoOGHxq_eOSbx-hC5P8mBI1gsO/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=105469359652835948544&rtpof=true&sd=true see presentation here] - by Jean-Michel Polfliet |
::* goal of the pilot: implementation proof documentation for the project | ::* goal of the pilot: implementation proof documentation for the project | ||
| − | ::* 5 participants (2 GP softs + EPD soft + 2 LIS) + 2 biologists | + | ::* 5 pilot participants (2 GP softs + EPD soft + 2 LIS) + 2 biologists |
| − | ::* tracking of issues in github | + | ::* tracking of issues is done in github |
::* testcases will be used in the future for the end-to-end solution | ::* testcases will be used in the future for the end-to-end solution | ||
| − | : Today we will deal with the issues having status "To Be Validated by WG" | + | * '''List of issues is here:''' https://github.com/hl7-be/hl7-be-fhir-laboratory-report/projects/1 |
| + | * Today we will deal with the issues having as status "To Be Validated by WG" | ||
| + | * Issue #18 Every bundle needs a unique identifier - how will be deal with this at national level, do we want to standardise this ? yes | ||
| + | ::* combination of system and value has to be unique | ||
| + | ::* Medina will remove the lab prefix : lab riziv number + unique number for the lab (f.e. riziv request number) | ||
| + | ::* HL7 Belgium has to work on naming system : HL7 Belgium will set this up in the way "this is the approved url as agreed" - it will be the identifier of the bundle, not the unique ID | ||
| + | ::* please note: one request cannot have 2 bundles as outcome | ||
| + | |||
| + | * The Bundles have to be unique, any reference identifiers in the bundle do not have to be unique ? They only have to be unique within the same bundle | ||
| + | |||
| + | * Issue #26 "Multilevel titles on protocols" | ||
| + | ::* a lab protocol has titles and none or multiple subtitles and each level can have results | ||
| + | ::* need for agreement on way of encoding | ||
| + | ::::* proposal: using "hasMember" as this has been created to have hierarchy | ||
| + | * Issue #38 is almost the same issue "Subtitles and panels" | ||
| + | ::* nuance of narrative generation | ||
| + | ::* is there a need for a dummy narrative to a panel ? | ||
| + | ::* Conclusion: if you have a child you have to use "hasMember" | ||
| + | |||
| + | * Narrative: the receiving party needs to be able to rebuild the protocol | ||
| + | ::* Macsys wants to leave the narrative empty - is this against the HL7 FHIR standard mandatory guidance ? Macsys will create plain text in the narrative | ||
| + | ::* copy of the protocol could be sent as a blob, not in the narrative | ||
| + | |||
| + | * Issue 34 about coding system to include in the observation | ||
| + | ::* can we use multiple ones ? | ||
| + | ::* link to coding system : FHIR allows Loinc, Albert or lab codes | ||
| + | ::* should we not determine how we have to identify lab coding systems - will Medidoc, Medigest codes be identified ? | ||
| + | ::* is there a repository page of the used lab coding systems ? needs to be created & option to be re-validated by this WG | ||
| + | ::* a terminology server could be an option for the future | ||
| + | |||
| + | |||
| + | '''Action items''' | ||
| + | * HL7 Belgium to make up naming system for identifier for bundles | ||
| + | * HL7 Belgium to make up repository page of the used lab coding systems | ||
| + | * HL7 Belgium to update status of discussed items | ||
| − | '''Next Meeting:''' | + | '''Next Meeting:''' additional meeting on Thursday Nov 25 at 1PM to make progress |
Latest revision as of 16:31, 16 November 2021
Attendees
- Alexis Van Zeveren (arrived late)
- Dr Alain Derom
- Bart Decuypere
- Benny Verhamme
- Frédéric Istace
- Frederik Lenaerts
- Hans De Keersmaecker
- Jean-Michel Polfiet
- Joost Van Averbeke
- Jos Bellen
- José Costa Teixeira
- Karlien Erauw
- Kristof Jaubin
- Nick Hermans
- Nico Vannieuwenhuyze
- Peter Laridon
- Robert Nicolas (Medispring)
- Thibault Mahieu
- Tom Tollenaere
- Stefan Waegemans
- Toon Schiemsky
Excused/Not present
- Frederik De Kegel
- Mieke Buckinx
- Olivier Lothaire
- Paul Neyens
- Richard Francken
- Theo Schumacher
- Tom Fiers
Agenda
- Rework on issues resulted from the pilot phase
Minutes
- Updates of the pilot phase of the Lab result project, see presentation here - by Jean-Michel Polfliet
- goal of the pilot: implementation proof documentation for the project
- 5 pilot participants (2 GP softs + EPD soft + 2 LIS) + 2 biologists
- tracking of issues is done in github
- testcases will be used in the future for the end-to-end solution
- List of issues is here: https://github.com/hl7-be/hl7-be-fhir-laboratory-report/projects/1
- Today we will deal with the issues having as status "To Be Validated by WG"
- Issue #18 Every bundle needs a unique identifier - how will be deal with this at national level, do we want to standardise this ? yes
- combination of system and value has to be unique
- Medina will remove the lab prefix : lab riziv number + unique number for the lab (f.e. riziv request number)
- HL7 Belgium has to work on naming system : HL7 Belgium will set this up in the way "this is the approved url as agreed" - it will be the identifier of the bundle, not the unique ID
- please note: one request cannot have 2 bundles as outcome
- The Bundles have to be unique, any reference identifiers in the bundle do not have to be unique ? They only have to be unique within the same bundle
- Issue #26 "Multilevel titles on protocols"
- a lab protocol has titles and none or multiple subtitles and each level can have results
- need for agreement on way of encoding
- proposal: using "hasMember" as this has been created to have hierarchy
- Issue #38 is almost the same issue "Subtitles and panels"
- nuance of narrative generation
- is there a need for a dummy narrative to a panel ?
- Conclusion: if you have a child you have to use "hasMember"
- Narrative: the receiving party needs to be able to rebuild the protocol
- Macsys wants to leave the narrative empty - is this against the HL7 FHIR standard mandatory guidance ? Macsys will create plain text in the narrative
- copy of the protocol could be sent as a blob, not in the narrative
- Issue 34 about coding system to include in the observation
- can we use multiple ones ?
- link to coding system : FHIR allows Loinc, Albert or lab codes
- should we not determine how we have to identify lab coding systems - will Medidoc, Medigest codes be identified ?
- is there a repository page of the used lab coding systems ? needs to be created & option to be re-validated by this WG
- a terminology server could be an option for the future
Action items
- HL7 Belgium to make up naming system for identifier for bundles
- HL7 Belgium to make up repository page of the used lab coding systems
- HL7 Belgium to update status of discussed items
Next Meeting: additional meeting on Thursday Nov 25 at 1PM to make progress
